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All Saints just ended, my God my heart just stopped when I realised they were actually gonna put the dog down. If I was Charlotte I think I woulda punched the vet then run off with the dogs and hightailed it outta there.

Humans are ignorant, stupid, fucked up animals.

We just kill every animal that does any thing against us. Animals always do stuff for a reason. Dogs defend their territories, or lash out in fear or pain, or protect themselves or their pups. Humans on the other hand just hurt others out of rage and lack of self-control. Why don't we kill every human who hits someone else???

Fuck, I HATE those stupid pathetic laws that just allow us to kill other creatures indiscriminately.

Gah, I can't put what I'm feeling into words, my blood is boiling.

Date: 2003-03-04 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sassamifrass.livejournal.com
*hugs*

Hopefully humans will learn to be more considerate of all life as we progress through civillisation. I know that we were a lot crueler to animals 100 years ago, so hopefully we're improving.

Date: 2003-03-04 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morninglord.livejournal.com
I don't know if you've noticed, maybe you were looking the other way, but we have these little laws now about "cru-el-ty to ani-mals" which like every law, admittedly doesn't always work.
We are NOT allowed to kill other animals indiscriminately. We have to have a good reason first.
Incidentally, humans who hit other humans without a damn good reason (or a good lawyer, but lets not get into that hatefilled region of society) get put in "ja-il".
To a doggie, this is know as a "ca-ge".
A "ca-ge" is one of the CRUELEST things to put an animal in. Its vicious, its inhumane, and if you wanted animals treated like humans, this is how they'd have to be treated.
Much more humane to put the dog down.
I dunno what this dog did, but do remember that All Saints is a drama and is supposed to make you feel all emotional and stuff.
Personally, I think they did it rather well, in this case.
And if this seems like a bit of a harsh reply, just remember you just called me an ignorant, stupid, fucked up animal.
I know I'm this anyway, but I don't need to hear it from anybody else. I get all offended and stuff.

ignorant. stupid. fucked up animal.

Date: 2003-03-06 09:42 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"I don't know if you've noticed, maybe you were looking the other way"

Yeah Wayne maybe you WERE looking the other way. Have you noticed all the anti posts you seem to be getting? You usually get things arse about and all f**ked up as you have in this case. You make me so furious I can't describe how sick you make me feel. Maybe you are trying for these kind of responses???

"I dunno what this dog did"

Why don't you find out first???

The dog was in it's own yard and the kid climbed the fence. And strangely enough the kid was attacked. Could it be that an animal chiefly kept for protection of property was trying to do it's job???

Or could it be that the kid was hitting the dog over the head in a playful manner or maybe not so playful? Kids are stupid animals that need less stupid adult animals to look after them.

The parents comments... "I just took my eyes off her for a few seconds" Well we failed in the less stupid category didn't we?

"Much more humane to put the dog down."

The answer for everything eh?

Go pull your head out you arse long enough to see the whole picture. What I think BJ was trying to get across to morons such as yourself was that they had not gone through all the possibilities of what could have happened.

"We are NOT allowed to kill other animals indiscriminately. We have to have a good reason first."

Yeah a good reason... Dog killed for doing what it was bred for.

"All Saints is supposed to make you feel emotional"

Yes well done. You have figured out that drama shows are abit gritty sometimes. Well I have found that this show deals with real issues and yes the real world is kinda emotional and stuff.
Most things in the world make people emotional... Losing money or getting money. Eating a good meal or going without. Getting a pet or having it run over by a car right in front of your eyes! It's all emotional shit just like your post made me emotional enough to write this reply.

"cru-el-ty to ani-mals"

And last of all what is with the fucked up spacing of some of your words are you trying to be a superior little monkey?
Shall we put you down now too? BJ was voicing her concerns and you have this shitty way of putting her valid comments down and talking down to her like she isn't aware of how things are. It seems to me that she is very aware of how the world works. And what she was saying was that it sucks and is senseless.

"you called me an ignorant, stupid, fucked up animal.
I know I'm this anyway, but I don't need to hear it from anybody else"

That is easy fixed... Stop posting ignorant rants of crap!

Now I'M all offended and stuff.....
signed Nerak.

Re: ignorant. stupid. fucked up animal.

Date: 2003-03-06 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gemfyre.livejournal.com
Woah... okay yes, you did express most of my sentiments towards Wayne's post. But I've learned he has a habit of semi-trolling (especially the science/controversy stuff I post). Seeing we always chat in real life anyway I decided to just ignore the post as another of these "semi-trolls". But yeah, what you said is pretty much how I feel.

Re: ignorant. stupid. fucked up animal.

Date: 2003-03-08 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morninglord.livejournal.com
Yeah, your right in all cases. I was out of line, and not thinking about what I wrote.
Practically straight after writing it my brain caught up with me and thought "Yknow, your a bit silly." but I didn't deleted it cos it would have been too late. You can't take back words. And it gets emailed to bj anyway.
Feel free to hate me. I don't much mind. I deserve it.
I had a talk to bj about it in icq later and things were all sorted.
Life goes on. I keep being an idiot.
I promise to stop writing ignorant rants of crap once I learn to stop acting before I think.
Until then, I'll just accept that there will be people who hate me for it.
What comes around, goes around.

o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peppermintrose.livejournal.com
What is All Saints? Wha happened to a dog?
Humans are inwardly selfish, and so prize ourselves above any other life generally. We do have laws now, yes, and the only reason we have those laws is because people who cared enough about the suffering of animals fought for them. Fought HARD for them. Same with women's rights, and the rights of every "minority" group. That's why it's so important that people don't stop caring about others, especially since animals can't speak up and fight for themselves.

Re: o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gemfyre.livejournal.com
All Saints is an Australian medical drama. Only serial that I watch on a regular basis. In this episode one of the main characters discovered he had a malignant brain tumour, causing his erratic behaviour (which of consequence was much worse than the dogs, but they didn't just go put him down...)

At the start of episode you see one of the doctors in a rush, kids outside are stirring up her dog. She yells at the kids and calls the dog out the back before rushing to work. Later at work she finds next door neighbours kid, mauled... by her dog. Her heart breaks, she finds that the daughter will recover well. Other nurse insists on notifying RSPCA or police. Of course she knows they will just kill the dog, she would rather work it out with her neighbour who she is friends with. Of course neighbour is unreasonable and hostile at first. Turns out little shit kids broke the fence, little girl got into yard, dog defended property.

Towards the end you feel that doctor and neigbour have resolved the issue between themselves. Last scene is doctor playing with her dog and you get this warm feeling that common sense has prevailed and the beloved dog will live, kids will get a hiding, it will be made sure that dog is properly confined before doctor leaves. Then the camera pans to vet filling needle with green fluid. My heart sinks, I go numb, I start swearing my head off internally and wanting to punch something, blood boils.

yeah that's about it. "You were protecting what's important to you, doing something instinctual. Ah well I guess that means you deserve killing." *cries*

It was disgusting and disturbing.

Whoa o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peppermintrose.livejournal.com
The only way I'd be alright with that ending is if the point of it was to illustrate how biased and unfair society was.
That is my one fear about owning another dog. If they bit someone, what the consequences would be?

Re: Whoa o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gemfyre.livejournal.com
my b/f's sister had a Jack Russel. It was a Jack Russell, it was nuts, it became slightly more nuts after humans (who weren't killed) broke in one night. It was at a friends house being babysat and bit someone. He was probably overexcited or nervous, truth be told the dog wasn't well trained, it was rather destructive at home, but still not exactly dangerous (it's a Jack Russel people!), but still a beloved pet. She had to get it killed (sorry I keep saying killed, I reserve "put down" or "put to sleep" for animals being put out of their pain, not receieving the ultimate punishment for something that is instinctual) on her birthday of all days. And they say the DOG is dangerous... *shakes head for pathetic "justice" system*.

Re: o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shrika.livejournal.com
even with the warning it didn't make the episode any less painful to watch. Human's suck sometimes.
Charlotte getting that little girl a dog soft toy was a really good idea tho, I think that showed something.

Re: o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gemfyre.livejournal.com
There was a warning??

Musta missed it.

Re: o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shrika.livejournal.com
you gave me the warning via ICQ

speaking of warnings did you know there is a warning infront of charmed now saying "this show contains supernatural themes"

*laughs*

Re: o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gemfyre.livejournal.com
ah.

It _should_ have had an official warning, I mean they warn about drug use and stuff. That would have been distressing for many animal lovers. Me, I just went completely numb.

Re: o.O

Date: 2003-03-04 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shrika.livejournal.com
even with the warning it didn't make the episode any less painful to watch. Human's suck sometimes.
Charlotte getting that little girl a dog soft toy was a really good idea tho, I think that showed something.
I honestly thought she was going to hit Nelson (after it looked like he was trying to hug her)

Date: 2003-03-04 08:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lotus79.livejournal.com
You know what? I'm glad I don't watch All Saints.

Similar thing happened to Luke's dog, Sara. His Dad was looking after her, and the gate got lkeft open or something, and she went walkabout with their puppy. Anyway, the rangers were called by the bloke whose lawn they ended up on, and she growled at them when they tried to grab the puppy--protecting him, obviously.

The #$%%^ rangers ordered that she be put to sleep. For *growling* at them! This obviously because she was a rottie, and they were aware that she *could have* attacked them. But she freakin' didn't.

And then there's Rocky... *sob*. He was getting dangerous--bit both Luke and my brother rather viciously various times (and me once, when I got in the way). This was not his fault, it was the fault of the f###head who owned him before us and used to beat him and shove him into a room. No wonder he was neurotic. When he wasn't being neurotic, he was the sweetest dog :(

Date: 2003-03-05 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistress-wench.livejournal.com
Fuck, I HATE those stupid pathetic laws that just allow us to kill other creatures indiscriminately.

Gun laws in the U.S?
The law of nature?
Murphy's Law?
The "law" of "God" (The "Bible" for example)
I dunno, it's just an example...

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